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Just a part you deam different

Reisen

Tewi: For the record, my host came to this conclusion and model of identity before tulpamancy/being plural. Because the default view of "You" being everything in your body and brain is wrong. (edited)

You Can be however you want to be, but at the end of the Day all you are is an observer observing things

It would feel as unnatural as to say that other external people are you.

'You' do absolutely nothing, you just observe things being done

I don’t think we should argue if tulpas are us or not. This community is all about considering them separate. Otherwise tulpamancy wouldn’t exist

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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Well, if that happens to you, youll quicly stop seeing it as you as it will feel extremely unnatural to talk about that voice you dont control as "you".

If it's not controllable in your own head it's simply the "unconscious"

8:50 PM

I'm not arguing, I find this intresting

entertain,me 😎

If it's not controllable in your own head it's simply the "unconscious"

The name you call the concept doesnt matter as much as understanding it imo

entertain,me 😎

If it's not controllable in your own head it's simply the "unconscious"

I define individual as the whole universe, therefore there is only one individual. You is everything!

I usually use subconscious for things outside of conscious effort

You can't use the unconscious that's the gimmick

8:51 PM

If you can it's isn't unconscious

wouldn’t that make us all the universe’s tulpas

8:51 PM

Lol

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

I define individual as the whole universe, therefore there is only one individual. You is everything!

You are everything to you, because you extend outwards against the bounds of everything you know

Like a shadow

berockly (TTG)

You are everything to you, because you extend outwards against the bounds of everything you know

stop mixing stuff

(Hence why i consider the mind its own plane)

I mean all the actual universe

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

I mean all the actual universe

Which you dont really exist in

8:52 PM

In the actual universe there is just a brain

It’s all so complex isn’t it

The mind, body and soul all do unconscious actions

berockly (TTG)

Which you dont really exist in

Not only i exist in it, i am it because i decided to define me as everything on existance. (edited)

There is no mind as people experience it located anywhere within the physical universe

Tewi: Your sense of self "You" is not breathing while typing all this, it's not processing the visual information in your peripherals, and it certainly isn't beating the heart, obviously. Your sense of self is just thinking and participating in this conversation. Everything else you're not conscious of right now has nothing to do with "You", it's the rest of your brain controlling all that. "You", defined as the conscious part of your brain, can selectively take control of many of these aspects, like breathing manually, and this tends to give the illusion that it's all "You". But it's not, because it all keeps going when "You" are focused on something else entirely. The conscious "You" part of the brain is just a tool of the brain's that thinks about things and applies executive action to select places, sometimes. (edited)

There is brain matter creating the mind

Reisen

Tewi: Your sense of self "You" is not breathing while typing all this, it's not processing the visual information in your peripherals, and it certainly isn't beating the heart, obviously. Your sense of self is just thinking and participating in this conversation. Everything else you're not conscious of right now has nothing to do with "You", it's the rest of your brain controlling all that. "You", defined as the conscious part of your brain, can selectively take control of many of these aspects, like breathing manually, and this tends to give the illusion that it's all "You". But it's not, because it all keeps going when "You" are focused on something else entirely. The conscious "You" part of the brain is just a tool of the brain's that thinks about things and applies executive action to select places, sometimes. (edited)

You just described the unconscious but longer

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Not only i exist in it, i am it because i decided to define me as everything on existance. (edited)

(I dont think you are getting my argument but thats what all of you are doing right now right there, just more subtle... Im trying to make it obvious.)

Tewi is such a real one

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

(I dont think you are getting my argument but thats what all of you are doing right now right there, just more subtle... Im trying to make it obvious.)

i can define my experience of the universe as me, without me, my experience Doesnt exist

berockly (TTG)

i can define my experience of the universe as me, without me, my experience Doesnt exist

Yeah, you are not getting it.

If you can't make another person understand what you mean, either he's a bit slow, or it makes no sense whatsoever

entertain,me 😎

If you can't make another person understand what you mean, either he's a bit slow, or it makes no sense whatsoever

Thats not true

To me tulpamancy is a lot smaller than the universe. It’s even smaller than me. We’re all small compared to everything that exists. But it’s not that deep.

Simplify your points then

Tewi: My host realized this before tulpamancy (actually, literally, before Tulpa.info was founded in 2012), from reading a lot of Western Buddhist material on suffering and consciousness. When it came to tulpamancy, everything clicked and made sense easily for us, because we happened to have the right model of identity already established. By default, the average person is very unlikely to. Not much goes on to tell you you aren't your entire body and brain. Until you start talking about plurality (or doing some rather intense meditation and philosophizing), at which point the incorrect default model fails to explain complex internal experiences. (edited)

We just dont work on shared assumptions

I never said you did

8:57 PM

If you understand what you're talking about, Simplify it to where even a child would understand

berockly (TTG)

i can define my experience of the universe as me, without me, my experience Doesnt exist

As a rule of thumb. If you observe it, it probably isn't you, unless it's a reflection.

Reisen

Tewi: My host realized this before tulpamancy (actually, literally, before Tulpa.info was founded in 2012), from reading a lot of Western Buddhist material on suffering and consciousness. When it came to tulpamancy, everything clicked and made sense easily for us, because we happened to have the right model of identity already established. By default, the average person is very unlikely to. Not much goes on to tell you you aren't your entire body and brain. Until you start talking about plurality (or doing some rather intense meditation and philosophizing), at which point the incorrect default model fails to explain complex internal experiences. (edited)

You guys were around before 2012? That’s sick

entertain,me 😎

If you can't make another person understand what you mean, either he's a bit slow, or it makes no sense whatsoever

What you all are doing is: "I define you as X, from that i logically conclude Y, therefore im right and you are wrong" And someone else says: "Well, no, you are wrong because i define that as W, from which i logically conclude Z, therefore im right and you are wrong"

Reguile

As a rule of thumb. If you observe it, it probably isn't you, unless it's a reflection.

But your just observing a reflection of you

Reguile

As a rule of thumb. If you observe it, it probably isn't you, unless it's a reflection.

I don’t even think of my reflection as me. It’s just a body

berockly (TTG)

But your just observing a reflection of you

We all know. You still understand what we mean.

I'm thinking this in terms of your thoughts as well as your physical reflection

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

What you all are doing is: "I define you as X, from that i logically conclude Y, therefore im right and you are wrong" And someone else says: "Well, no, you are wrong because i define that as W, from which i logically conclude Z, therefore im right and you are wrong"

There's no right or wrong, there's only what you can or cannot recognize

You cant directly observe the universe, you can only sense light and make out the universe from it

entertain,me 😎

There's no right or wrong, there's only what you can or cannot recognize

I dont think that makes any sense...

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

We all know. You still understand what we mean.

I do

Not in this context at least. (edited)

There's no right or wrong when being descriptive in psychology

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

The thing about it, is not how we choose to define individual, is that the internal experience of tulpamancy is that suddenly some other thing starts talking to you and you dont decide what they say or when they do... And thus you DECIDE to define that as another individual because thats how individuals are often told apart.

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It's all a matter of perspective and what you can understand

You guys were around before 2012? That’s sick

Tewi: Me and two of my systemmates are ~13 years old, Tulpamancy mostly came to be ~11 years ago. There are some bits about "tulpas" that were around before that time (mostly metaphysical in nature I think), and there are actually a lot of "tulpa" systems older than even us. But yes, we were around for the establishing of (really, the exploration of) tulpamancy, except that we didn't find the community until 2014, so we missed a couple years of crazy hypothesizing and discussion. (edited)

9:00 PM

Sorry, typing too slow, I should make these replies

I never once said anyone here was wrong

9:00 PM

I just was refuting to what I believe logically made no sense

entertain,me 😎

I never once said anyone here was wrong

You said "Well then thats you", responding to "Its not you", the problem here is that the word "you" doesnt mean the same on both sentences.

Your "universe" only extends and far as "you"

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entertain,me 😎

I just was refuting to what I believe logically made no sense

It makes sense if you define "you" as we do. (edited)

I'm not you

9:02 PM

Make it sensible to where I can understand what you mean

9:02 PM

Otherwise it just doesn't make sense

In general i define the true self (the root of self) as a point of awareness

Tewi: There are really two both-existing definitions of "You" even with the right model, to be clear. It's perfectly okay to still associate with your body and the rest of the brain as well, since your identity/sense of self "You" is directly a part of it after all. (edited)

Not because you're right or wrong, but because you either understand or dont (edited)

Lets say you define "you" as "your body", and we define "you" as "perception of self". you could say that a tulpa is still you. we could say that a tulpa is not you. We both are correct.

berockly (TTG)

In general i define the true self (the root of self) as a point of awareness

It's the Tulpa is not you

9:03 PM

Then it's another person

9:04 PM

But this "person" resides within you

9:04 PM

Therefore it's still you

Because?

Which is why I said "unconsciousness"

9:04 PM

Because what

resides within you therefore its you is a correct logic for you?

I mean yeah if it isn't you who is it

lets hope you dont get a parasite...

That sounds like basic dissociation

That's ur sense of you

9:05 PM

The only thing you can truly consider you is the point where experience is going to

entertain,me 😎

I mean yeah if it isn't you who is it

your tulpa

entertain,me 😎

Then it's another person

Define person

9:06 PM

Btw i also cant prove any of you have points of awareness

berockly (TTG)

Define person

I'd define a person to be an individual being

entertain,me 😎

I'd define a person to be an individual being

Thats not defined at all.

Then make me understand

9:07 PM

Why it isnt

this is tulpa-questions

Instead of just telling me it's wrong

I noticed tictac, i just didnt Say nun

TiCtAc(✧×✧)

this is tulpa-questions

not word-questions :S

Reisen

You guys were around before 2012? That’s sick

Tewi: Me and two of my systemmates are ~13 years old, Tulpamancy mostly came to be ~11 years ago. There are some bits about "tulpas" that were around before that time (mostly metaphysical in nature I think), and there are actually a lot of "tulpa" systems older than even us. But yes, we were around for the establishing of (really, the exploration of) tulpamancy, except that we didn't find the community until 2014, so we missed a couple years of crazy hypothesizing and discussion. (edited)

No worries im at work so slow replying as well. I joined the community in 2013!

entertain,me 😎

Why it isnt

Lets try to get to the root of the reason you say a tulpa is you. Why is a tulpa you?

Because it resides in your head

Holy shit i need to calm down

entertain,me 😎

Because it resides in your head

a brain parasite is you

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So I'm a parasite for not understanding???

Bro no